russo>> Продолжаю не понимать — почему вам важно когда состоялся заказ, а не когда на корабль пошло финансирование?gorizont> Потому что мне непонятно, когда именно идет финансирование.
В том финансовом году который указан.
gorizont> Ибо кроме заказа и закладки я не вижу промежуточных инстанций.
Ничего себе. По-вашему до закладки корабля не нужно никаких действий, которые нуждались бы в финансировании?
Да тут что угодно может быть — от средств на обучение команды и покупки материалов до модернизации верфей.
gorizont> В 45 ни одного линкора не заложили. Последние заложенные - Иллинойс и Висконсин. Но это не 45 год.
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Illinois (BB-65). Under construction at the Philadelphia Navy Yard.
Keel laid in January 1945. Cancelled in August 1945 when 22% complete. Scrapped on the shipway in 1958.
(оффтоп) а на Висконсине я бывал
Он тут рядом, на юге Вирджинии. Все туда хочу выбраться еще раз, с фотоаппаратом, и все лень...
gorizont> С Йорктауном - неясны.
Напомню, речь идет о первой четверти 41 — у Англии с охраной конвоев все еще жо.
Потери (только атлантика, европу и средиземноморье не считаем):
Январь: 59 British, Allied and neutral ships of 273,000 tons
Февраль: 69 British, Allied and neutral ships of 317,000 tons
Март: 63 British, Allied and neutral ships of 365,000 tons
Апрель: 48 British, Allied and neutral ships of 282,000 tons (впрочем апрель уже неважен, решение о переводе было принято до этого)
Американцы может и подкинули бы еще кораблей, но после передачи 50 эсминцев у британцев просто не было свободных людских резервов. Старком было решено усилить охрану конвоев своими силами, и готовиться к возможному прорыву немецких рейдеров в Атлантику. 2 апреля в атлантику переброшены АВ Йорктаун, ЛК Нью Мексико, ЛК Миссиссиппи, четыре крейсера, два соединения эсминцев.
gorizont> Да это понятно. Кстати, а другие переброски были, или американцы принялись это делать как раз накануне нападения?
Не знаю. То что перебрасывать принялись конкретно после в конце ноября неудивительно, ибо уже по-настоящему запахло скорой войной. 26 ноября — нота Хэлла. 28 ноября — перехват той самой телеграммы с "восточный ветер—дождь / северный ветер—облачно / западный ветер—ясная погода"
russo>> Атаку П-Х никто не предполагал.gorizont> Хм. А приказ Хэлси еще при выходе "Е" из П-Х?
Так он не был в П-Х. Субмарины и рейдеры никто не отменял.
gorizont> А уже упомянутая переброска самолетов на острова накануне?
Тоже не вижу ничего такого.
russo>> Почитайте про предвоенные планы войны с Японией. Если надо могут подкинуть копипасту на английском.gorizont> Давайте.
Гуглить War Plan Orange и Rainbow. Еше лучше — купить Edward S. Miller’s War Plan Orange (1991), и Henry G. Gole’s The Road to Rainbow (2003)
Обещанная копипаста:
 [показать]War Plan Orange had its origins soon after the turn of the century when the US Navy and particularly those officers at the Naval War College recognized the growing economic and maritime threat of the Japanese empire and began a plan to counter its perceived threat to US power and influence in the region. US interests in the Western Pacific included its possessions in the Philippines, Guam, and, Hawaii, and its continued Open Door trade policy with China. By the early 1920s the plan’s focus had shifted away from guaranteeing access to China and towards countering Japan. Through the 1920s and into the early 1930s the plan underwent many modifications and adjustments reflective of the personalities involved in the planning efforts, incorporation of new technologies, treaty limitations, and evolving strategy.
The plan, although frequently modified, consisted of three basic phases. In Phase I, Japan, code-named “Orange,” would initiate the conflict by attacking to seize the lightly defended American, “Blue,” outposts to assure its access to necessary raw materials in the south and west. The blue navy, concentrated in homeports along the west coast of the United States would then mobilize in the Eastern Pacific. In phase II, Blue’s fleet would steam westward across the Central Pacific toward seizure of the Philippines. Orange would avoid decisive conflict, instead resisting with expendable forces in an effort to attrite Blue while trading distance for time. Blue would continue to advance and retake the Philippines and eventually the two battle fleets, in the finest Mahanian tradition, would meet for a decisive engagement, in which American dreadnoughts would prevail. In the final phase, Blue would surround and assault the Japanese home islands and win the war.
Previous to Versailles Treaty’s directive for the handover of the Mandate Islands to Japan, the plan featured an aggressive thrust of the US Fleet across the Pacific toward the recapture of the Philippines. Japanese possession of these islands located astride the sea lanes of communication to both the Philippines and Guam spurred the 1921 modification to the plan to feature a more cautious, island-hopping campaign to defeat the Japanese.6 The nonfortification clause of the Washington Treaty drove much of the planning effort of the 1920s as naval planners were forced to conceive ways in which to conduct an extended naval campaign without the benefit of an advanced base to support it. By 1923 the island-hopping aspects of the plan had been removed in favor of a return to the rapid naval thrust westward.
In the mid-1920s the rapid thrust of Blue capital ships from the West Coast of the United States to retake the Philippines played out with unfavorable attrition during naval war games and was modified to include several logistics stops in route. As President Roosevelt took office these logistics stops along the central thrust toward the recapture of the Philippines had been further modified into an island-hopping campaign through the Mandates themselves.8
Just prior to the election of the new administration, the latest War Plan Orange called for the phased departure of some 317 warships from Pearl Harbor with which to conduct Phase II of the plan.9 At the time, less than 200 warships were in commission. By 1932, the Office of Naval Intelligence, in response to a proposal by the Chief of Naval Operations regarding increased US Navy presence in the Western Pacific as a deterrent to Japanese aggression in Manchuria, responded that they believed the Navy had been so weakened by economic neglect under the Hoover administration that it could not conduct an Orange scenario war.10 Naval War College analysts judged that the US Navy’s capacity to fight in the Western Pacific had declined to “decided inferiority” against their Japanese counterparts.11 Given the capabilities gap between what the Orange plan called for and what the US Fleet was capable of executing at the time, Admiral J. O. Richards, later to command the US Fleet, called the Orange plan, “Less a plan for waging war than a plan to justifying a Navy.”12 Thus, on the eve of President Roosevelt’s arrival, the Navy’s leadership judged the fleet as ill equipped to carry out its principal war plan against its expected enemy. Much was required to remedy this situation, and the Navy hoped that the new administration would champion that effort.
The attack on the USS Panay caused the US Navy to take stock of its capacity--or lack thereof--to deal with an openly hostile Japan. In one case, Rear Admiral George J. Meyer, commander of the 16th Naval District in the Philippines and one of the officers who would likely be among the first to bear the brunt of Japanese aggression, referred to the US Fleet as “woefully weak.” The 1935 revisions to War Plan Orange included an island-hopping campaign en route the Philippines, which would necessarily delay their liberation. To mitigate this delay in arrival of the US Fleet, Admiral Meyer suggested that a major naval base be constructed in the southern Philippines where warships of sufficient strength could be stationed to support US Army forces as the fleet advanced from their West Coast bases.
In late 1937, Admiral Leahy endorsed a proposed revision to the Orange Plan which specified the Army ship two divisions of troops to the Philippines before war broke out or if that proved impossible, to place these divisions under the operational control of the Commander-in-Chief, US Fleet, to be used as an amphibious force against Truk, a Japanese fleet facility in the Caroline Islands. Unfortunately, the Army Chief of Staff, General Malin Craig, did not endorse this plan because the peacetime Army of 180,000 men did not possess the manpower to support it. Although they could not reach an accord on this particular revision, both agreed on the importance of defending the Alaska-Hawaii-Panama triangle. As a result of this shift of priority, the Army no longer felt that it should defend the Philippines while the Navy seized advanced bases in the Central Pacific. Although this impasse marked a temporary halt to joint planning against Japan, US Navy planning continued unilaterally and served to influence the General Board’s warship-building recommendations to the Secretary of the Navy.
Admiral Leahy was also very concerned about increasing world tensions and ordered a complete overhaul of the Orange plan to reflect the changing political landscape. At this stage in its development, Plan Orange assumed unilateral US action against Japan who was presumed to be similarly acting alone. Captain Charles Cooke, the lead planner assigned to oversee the revision recommended that the Joint Board, responsible for joint Army-Navy war plans, to abandon the Orange plan in favor of five unique Rainbow plans, each of which assumed that either the US or its opponent was a member of a military alliance. Further recognition of troublesome events in Europe came in June 1938 when the carrier Ranger, four heavy cruisers, four destroyers, and two land-based patrol plane wings were transferred to the East Coast to join the Atlantic Squadron. As a deterrent to further Japanese aggression, Admiral Leahy and President Roosevelt also considered moving the remaining US Pacific Fleet to Hawaii, a move they deferred until later.
The new Rainbow 5 plan was crafted to deal with these significantly changed strategic issues and a reduced US Fleet in the Pacific. Rather than thrusting westward to relieve the Philippines, the plan only obligated the US Fleet to conduct a raid on the Marshall Islands within the first six months of the war’s commencement. Admiral Stark felt that the Philippines would fall early in the war and that the Asiatic Fleet would be forced to retire from the Western Pacific.
gorizont> 13 апреля подписан советско -японский акт о ненападении
Флот переведен 2 апреля. Не катит.
gorizont> В апреле 1941 года? Когда стало понятно, что Битва за Англию выиграна бритами
В начале апреля?!
См. выше статистику потерь. В среднем больше трехсот килотонн в месяц в первой трети 41.
gorizont> Подводная угроза? Но ударные американские АВ не участвовали в операциях ПЛО
Не только подводная. Самолеты немецкие тоже топили суда так что только шуба заворачивалась. А так да — за неимением простой может и пришлось бы писать на гербовой, т.е. сопровождать конвои ударными авианосцами.
gorizont> Кстати, вы пропустили одно обстоятельство - семьи моряков с Энтерпрайза в промежутке между 28 ноября и 5 декабря были эвакуированы из П-Х. Вопрос - только ли моряков с Энтерпрайза?
Может все. Не знаю. Явно следствие депеши от 27 ноября, предупреждающей о войне.
gorizont> И чего это их отправили на континент, если все так были уверены, что П-Х не будет атакован?
Диверсанты например. На П-Х были предприняты определенные противодиверсионные предприятия в промежуток между 27 ноября и 7 декабря.